The rebuild you've all been waiting for

[wakotow]

Well...Now my car is all cool and torn apart like Cody's
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[Kurai Shimo]

are you going to pick up another block or rebuild?

[johnny_boy]

hit me up if you need any help later this week. im always ready to help. not that you need it but a extra set of hands is always nice lol

[wakotow]

rebuild, everything except the rods themselves. the rods will get new arp bolts and acl bearings though.

[wakotow]

got most of the connections/hoses disconnected, fluids drained, and turbo/exhaust pulled. Now I have to do the shifter, drive shaft, clutch lines, cut the radiator support, and pull the beast...hopefully thursday night, maybe friday night...should be sweet...lol

[ZenkiTrev]

. Now I have to do the shifter, drive shaft, clutch lines, cut the radiator support, and pull the beast...hopefully thursday night, maybe friday night...should be sweet...lol
WORD. let's get it done man.

[wakotow]

I've gotta figure out how to drain the tranny too...should be fun.

[ZenkiTrev]

Isn't there a drain plug on the bottom. I think it has a half inch drive on it.
If not you can drain it from the driveshaft insert/yoke at the back of the tranny.

[wakotow]

probably...

[wakotow]

Thanks to Trevor's complaining, everything was disconnected in the frigid morning air and now it's ready to be pulled...probably this evening
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[wakotow]

Well a bunch more progress has been made. Thanks to Trevor and Robert for comming over and helping me pull it.

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Look, hatches can hold their own crap.
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Then I started stripping the block
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In the end I had 3 broken ringlands

here's cylinder 1, and the piece that broke off.
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I'll measure bore and taper on tuesday and then get to ordering stuff...

[veloce240sx]

nice work!!!

[wakotow]

Update!

Motor
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Here's a whole RB25 in pieces...

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I started on the wiring a couple days ago...got overwhelmed, gave up, got motivated again and now I'm slamming through it.

Wires to be eliminated
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Fusebox stripped to it's bare requirements
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[johnny_boy]

nice

[wakotow]

well I finally got the chassis wiring finished, I still have to pull the dash and pull out all the unused wires...but the wiring for the headlights/windshield wipers is done and the passenger side fuse box is gone!!

I also got around to cutting up the bottom radiator support and moving it all forward about 1.5 inches...lookie

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[veloce240sx]

Nice andrew! I drove mine today!!!! woohooo!!!

[wakotow]

sweetness! how'd she feel? is it all done or is there more stuff to figure out?

[veloce240sx]

all done just clean up now. Im going to the car show at acura on sat the 12th. Anyone else going?

[wakotow]

doubtful, I think I'm pulling my dash and finishing the top of the radiator support.

[veloce240sx]

Right on man. I must have been crazy to think I could spool that turbo in first gear lol we shall see how it goes.

[wakotow]

does it not spool? what rpm in fifth do you get it at?

[veloce240sx]

Ive only been into 2nd gear still putting around the block, plus I did the custom intake mani so I knew I would lose low end power

[wakotow]

that's awesome dude, it's sweet to have two rb's in town

[wakotow]

fairly productive saturday...

lower radiator support done
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dash work
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And all the wiring I wanted to pull has been cut out to the huge 50+ pin connector above the kick panel fuse box...so that's good, now I just have to figure out how to pull the heater fan out and finish the wiring...

[veloce240sx]

Sweet buddy! But hey there are 3 rb's my busy cory is doing new turbo tune 550's front mount etc. I'm stocked about em all if ur free tomorrow swing by and check it out I'm free all week if u need help hit me up.

[wakotow]

are you the one that swiped the dash at picknpull? I went yesterday to try and get it...but it was gone.

I got a ton of wiring cut, taped, resoldered, extended...right now I'm working on the enginebay wiring, I'm going to try to run all the wiring under that intake manifold...should be clean...I'm hopin' at least

oh ya I forgot about the rb20...it's been a long time since I've seen that car, when I get mine fixed we'll have to terrorize something/someone lol.

have you got your power fc yet?

[ZenkiTrev]

Good work guys! I can't wait to come back this fall.

[wakotow]

it's gonna be off the hook!

cody, how did you wire the pin on the ecu labeled fuel pump terminal output control signal (104)? mine was wired crappily to a switched 12v source, so I'm thinking it's for the ecu to verify that the fuel pump is on...did you hook yours up or not? If I don't need to wire it in then I won't bother...

[veloce240sx]

Honestly I don't remember that wire I'll look into it tomorrow and get back to you. Ya Cory took that dash it was mint! Sorry man. FYI guys I'm finishing up the car tomorrow night if anyone is board swing on by. Looking good Andrew can't wait for the finished product. When will parts arrive?

[wakotow]

I have my gaskets and my bearings. pistons and rod bolts get here tomorrow, still need my crank collar...I don't have a tracking number for that yet though.

I still need to order head studs and a clutch, but those can wait a week or so, since I haven't started the machine work.

wiring is getting better, still need to pull the carpet out and put in sound deadening, and paint the engine bay...we'll see how it goes.

[wakotow]

got my pistons and bolts today, I also picked up energy suspension steering rack bushings from summit...I can't wait for this thing to run again...wiring is done except for gauges(w00t!)

[wakotow]

Got the dash bar thing back in, Jolene wanted to paint it orange and purple since I told her she could do it any color she wanted so ya...doesn't look too bad...just out of place lol.

Also finished the dynamat in the car, got most of the way up the firewall without removing the pedals or steering, and got most of the way up behind the heater since that's all pulled out right now.

wiring is really close to being done...I ran out of tape (my second roll lol) but everything is for the most part done, just the sensor wires for my gauges, and my coil power and like two oddball ground wires...should be done with that...maybe start paint next week?

Also, finally got around to wiring in my turbo timer that I've had just sitting around for ages...
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Comparison when I popped the dash to now...
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ECU wiring then and now.
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[veloce240sx]

Looks good Andrew! I didn't get into my fuel system last night I got so sun burnt from the show I can barely move!

[wakotow]

ya just let me know, if you think your pump is to blame then you're welcome to try out my spare walboro...

[wakotow]

Here's my parts pile...it's all there except for my crank collar (in the mail) and misc. bushings and paint...

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[veloce240sx]

Very nice! Never heard of the pistons before. I'm curious about the ability of the stock injectors. Ivjnow they are 370's but were you running them? You seemed to have nice afrs at high boost with a large turbo. Keep up the great work man I can wait for this thing!

[wakotow]

I have the stock injectors bumped fuel pressure to 4 bar instead of 3 bar, and I was pushing 85% duty cycle...Actually I think that may have been what happened...I bumped my timing, and made enough power to lean out, cause detonation and kill my rings.

I'm only running 15 psi so...ya

I want to go to 740's and run more like 22-25 psi, that'll be screaming...

[veloce240sx]

Any updates Andrew? I want to go hx35!!!! were did you get yours? Here is a little inspiration for ya


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c189/veloce240sx/DSCF1967.jpg

Ill get a picture of it fully done if you need it :D

[wakotow]

I got mine on ebay. There are two basic types of HX35 there's a 7 blade compressor and an 8 blade compressor basically the 7 blade spools slightly slower, but has more peak power possible, and the 8 spools faster but supports about 30-60 less horsepower but the 8 blade should still support about 450-475 if I remember correctly. I have the 7 blade and I usually have 15 psi around 3200-3500, and my compressor wheel is chewed up a little bit (looks like some sand went through it or something...so you should be just fine, responce wise, with the 7 blade...but just so you know. I got mine for about 250 shipped, but that was a year ago, they're more popular now, so keep your eyes open, and make sure to get one that is a genuine holset, a brand new holset is 900+ the listings for 300-500 new are just china replicas, and I have not heard anything good or bad about the replica holsets...the used ones are so cheap I opted to just get a good shape used one.

Read the second post in this thread
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/362193-holset-turbos-newbs.html

here's some listings that I found in a few minutes

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OEM-Holset-HX35W-Dodge-Cummins-Turbo-1998-5-2002-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem45f3b5131dQQitemZ30044 1473821QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Ram-12-Valve-HX35-Turbo-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem335e7b7b00QQitemZ22062 8482816QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

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[veloce240sx]

Andrew, thanks for the fast response. I'm also thinking of going back to the stock manifold. If so what the chances u can help me with the wastegate setup? Also the hx is vband right? 2.5" or 3"? I wanna help u on ur build man hit me up

[wakotow]

I think it's a 2.5" vband, but I didn't realize that, so I bought a 3" and just welded it to the 2.5" vband, came out pretty nice, but that extra half inch would have made all the difference clearing the steering bar...so I would do the 2.5" vband and as soon as the steering bar is cleared, go to 3" I'm pretty sure it'd be impossible for me to go to 3.5 or larger without getting a diffrent manifold, there just isn't enough space...

what's wrong with your ebay manifold? too laggy?

I'm going to be gone this weekend at my dad's buddies shop in oregon getting all the machine work done, but next week you can come help, unless you want to come on friday and help me paint the engine bay...

[veloce240sx]

hell ya im off friday im down to paint some shit! My intake manifold gasket blew today sucks balls! I have been wanting to have some things powder coated and have a legit hook up so I think this is a great time to have the intake mani done. I just wanna drive my car!!! arrrggg!!! hit me up Andrew ill be there

[wakotow]

ok I'll probably be doing it in the afternoon, I'll call ya.

[wakotow]

hey cody...sorry, two things came up...

one, I didn't get the engine bay prepped yet, so I'm not ready to paint...

two, the guy that's doing the machine work on my motor told me that I can come up a day early so I'm leaving tomorrow morning to go get it done, maybe monday though (if you don't work?)

[veloce240sx]

No big deal man get that motor done!

[wakotow]

It's going to be like hearing angels sing when this thing finally fires up again.

[wakotow]

Alright, it's been hot tanked for hours and hours, bored, pistons on the rods, crank collar installed, and broken exhaust manifold studs extracted. Also, on thursday I welded up some of the holes in the engine bay, mostly ones I created by cutting out stupid factory brackets (like the battery tray...who needs that piece of junk anyway, the battery should have come in the trunk...like a miata).

Tomorrow, bottom end assembled, tear into head, replace valve stem seals and look over everything...maybe some sanding in the engine bay.

Later this week, paint the block, paint the bay, slap the head on, put all the accessories on, finish fixing the over oiling issues with the head.

This weekend, put the beast back in and enjoy.

[veloce240sx]

Andrew this is awesome! A fully built rb is my dream! U lucky bastard lol if u need help I should be free Friday if that helps.

[wakotow]

sure, friday should be good, I don't know how far I'll actually get, but I'm sure we can find something to do. How's your car doin'?

[wakotow]

alright, I was a little ambitious with my goals...today I only managed to get the bottom end together...but it's there, the rings are a pain to get in the cylinders...and I had to modify the oil squirters as they contacted the new pistons...so all that is done, and I drilled and tapped the block for another oil drain from the rear of the head...

All in all, I doubt I'll have it running and ready by this saturday's meet (stinking close though)...but next saturday for sure I'll be there, maybe next tuesday at A&W I'll make it out.

[veloce240sx]

There is a meet this sat!? Same place? My car is good I'm doing the stock turbo for now and doing a to4z and a full race manifold in the winter so I gotta save mad cash! Lol

[wakotow]

well I know I haven't been going but I thought you guys would be doing meets even though I was gone...maybe not. I really doubt I'll be ready to go this weekend, so if you guys do a meet I'll bring the sentra, otherwise I'll bring the 240 the following week.

Those full race manifolds are nice but stinking expensive...what about lovefab, theirs are really nice too and more reasonably priced...If I ever go to top mount I'll probably get a 6boost, alot of people like them, and they are only about a grand, sometimes the guys on nico do a group buy, and you can get one for a little cheaper...

[wakotow]

block is painted!

[veloce240sx]

How's is coming Andrew? I'm back to stock turbo but havnt driven it yet I'm excited to boost again lol

[wakotow]

it's goin well...lookie

Almost ready for paint
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Money shots.
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[wakotow]

just got the bay painted...now I'm just waiting for it to cure enough to take the plastic off...

[veloce240sx]

Sssswwwweeettttt!!!!!! Got my stock turbo back on. Much better!!!!

[wakotow]

just keep that boost under 15psi and you'll be good

[wakotow]

pics!

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[veloce240sx]

Looks fucking good!!!!!

[wakotow]

well, it started...I have to fix the coil pack wiring...I have the relay through switched power, just not switched power that's also powered during cranking, so it tries to fire right as I let go of the key...so I figured out what I need to wire...easy, just frusterating...

next issue...I have noise on one of the cylinders...like a ticking, so it could be.

1. Wrong timing and valves are hitting the pistons (only on 1 cylinder? no sense)
2. Spun bearing (possibly, but how do you spin a bearing during cranking and a few seconds of running before shutting it down...it spun freely before I tried to start it...don't know...it doesn't sound like the spun sr20 bearing I heard last meet I was at)
3. Sticky lifter, might self correct, might not...
4. exhaust leak...I'll have to feel around for exhaust gas...I panicked too much when I heard the noise...

I sure hope it's the lifter...the other two mean total rebuild again...and I have no more money...so ya...

heads up, don't break and build your dd...too inconvinient to be down for months at a time...

Cody, I doubt I'll be needing any help tomorrow, just going to do a compression check, and shine a light down the spark hole and see if anything is hitting...
all that's left, after the motor runs, is the hood fender and bumper shell...we'll see I guess.

[veloce240sx]

Prolly an exhaust leak dude!! I feel ya I freak out about shit like that too on new motors that I just spent a shit load on. For about a week I thought my motor was running hot(dont know why just felt too hot when I opened my hood lol) so I traced all my coolant lines to make sure they were right lol. It happens to the best of us. Hit me up if you need anything man im down to get that thing going. O and having a 240 as a daily in general sucks balls. Actually I have never had anything else so I dont know what its like to have a reliable daily period!!! :eek:

[wakotow]

prior to blowing it up, it was only down for about two weeks in the past 18 months...oh well.

Good idea about the exhaust leak, I'll pull the heat shield and see if I can find a leak...I was sure I tightened it all good enough though...

[slow92]

nice build, I hope you get everything worked out.

[wakotow]

I think we got it figured out...the ticking happens once every revolution, this eliminates valve issues (sweet). However, the oil pan has the tick (if I touch it while it's happening), so our guess is the longer rod bolts are contacting the baffle inside the oil pan, so we dropped the crossmember last night, and I'll pull the pan off tonight and get the baffle modified so it doesn't get hit anymore, then it should be good to go.

We did a compression check last night too, I was around 125 on all cylinders, and the rings haven't even begun to set yet...frigin awesome as well.

[slow92]

are you still going to run the hx35? What kinda power are you trying to get out of it?

[wakotow]

I got this bad boy runnin!

let's meet up tomorrow night at unr

Yes I'm still running the hx35, once I have more fuel (probably 740's) I wanna put it up to 25ish psi and see what I get, I'm guessing 450+ I heard one sr20 was making 475 at 21psi or something like that...pretty crazy, the thing spools ultra fast too

[slow92]

yeah that 240 was for sale on zilvia.net. I was really thinking about going that route but I don't think that turbo will have enough for what I want. I am thinkg borg warner s366. but glad to see you got it running.

[wakotow]

the hx35 is about as big as I can fit on the stock manifold...it'd be really hard to get anything bigger in there and have everything fit...if I went to a topmount then I'd love to do an hx40 or 50

I've also been toying with doing a compound setup, or something with a supercharger...but I have no money, and right now I can't argue with 15psi at 3500 rpm...so I'll wait till I'm done with school to do any extreme forced indection to the beast...

[ZenkiTrev]

Andrew! I'm glad to see you're getting everything sorted on this beast. I can't wait to get back to reno and see everyone again.

[wakotow]

dude it's gonna be awesome, do you need help moving in?

[ZenkiTrev]

Actually I might, some of the stuff I'm bringing is too bulky to be carried by one person. I'll be in town saturday the 14th.

Oh and today I picked up some 550 injectors and a greddy emanage ultimate for the RB... just need a new turbo I'll be able to chase you down :p

[wakotow]

550's...lucky bum

you gonna bring the red one up...ever?

[ZenkiTrev]

not likely. I messed up at the last event... it's gonna be awhile before I'm going to be driving that car again...

[wakotow]

I heard there was concrete instead of hay/tires as barriers...that sucks dude...any frame/suspension damage? pics?

[ZenkiTrev]

The driver side front strut tower was pushed toward the center of the car and the "frame rail" in the rear on the driver side was also pushed. All suspension arms needed to be replaced on the driver side as well. The body is all sorts of jacked. Let me see about pictures.

[wakotow]

did you already replace them? We gotta get those traction rods done

[ZenkiTrev]

I picked up some factory ones for now. Yes we do.