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[perfeng702]

Hello. The name is Tommy. I used to drive a yellow s14. That one got smashed in a hit and run. Now I have a soon to be white maroon s14.

[cfinch]

white and maroon? so like a maroon s14 with an unpainted kit or something to go along with the rice bucket theme your last s14 had?

[DC S14]

:haha: :haha:

this muther fucker never stops! LMAO!!


cfinch for mod!!!

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 01:24 PM
white and maroon? so like a maroon s14 with an unpainted kit or something to go along with the rice bucket theme your last s14 had?
I'm not even going to bother starting a pissing contest with you. You obviously think you know anything about me or my old car just based on the way it looked? Why don't you head over to Freshalloy and look up member "rextreme." Take a look and you will see what I have contributed to the 240sx community. I'm member number 118 of over 27000 now. I been driving 240s since before all the dori dori bandwagon and, based on your birthdate, I've been driving 240s since before you were old enough to drive.

That kit on the old S14 was the legitimate Bomex kit purchased in 2000 before the 240sx bandwagon. Plenty of mods under the hood but I'm sure you come up with some lame response to flame the mods also. I'll throw out some brand names under the hood. You might not recognize them because they're not the typical Megan, Tenzo, Obx, Apr, and Ebay specials that you're used to.

Carillo
Arias
Cometic
Turbonetics
Spearco
Nissan Motorsports
MSD
Jim Wolf
Fidanza
SPEC

Also, let me help you with your english skills. I posted, "soon to be white maroon s14." I know that wording might be a little difficult for you to understand. I'll break it down for you. "Soon to be white," means that it will soon be white. The part that says "maroon s14," means it is currently a maroon s14.

[cfinch]

Calm down badass... Your not impressing anyone by name dropping. You may be older than me... You may have had a 240 longer than me... but don't jump to any conclusions here. I purchased my first 240 over 5 years ago and that means absolutely nothing. I've built more and better cars than you have in your fucking dreams. Your not shit and I'm gonna keep ragging on your ugly ass car.

I'm glad you have learned how to search the internet for parts manufacturers now shut up and take the hits cause they are just gonna keep on coming old man.

[cfinch]

We got one with a pulse fellas lets see how many pages I can squeeze out of this one!!!!

[jc]

:gayfight: :gotspam:

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 02:16 PM
Calm down badass... Your not impressing anyone by name dropping. You may be older than me... You may have had a 240 longer than me... but don't jump to any conclusions here. I purchased my first 240 over 5 years ago and that means absolutely nothing. I've built more and better cars than you have in your fucking dreams. Your not shit and I'm gonna keep ragging on your ugly ass car.

I'm glad you have learned how to search the internet for parts manufacturers now shut up and take the hits cause they are just gonna keep on coming old man.
I'm dropping names because you seem to think my car was rice. I don't need to search the internet for brand names because I actually own those parts. I don't claim that I have built numerous fast cars. I know what I have and I know what works. Check my credentials over on FA and you'll see that I am one of the first to pioneer blow through MAF on the KA and I was one of the first turbo KA's in the country. I don't claim to be a SR tuner and I'm not into all that JDM hype. You may think I'm a ricer, but I don't do any of that. If you want to see me driving my car, you can catch me at Primm on the 14th.

[cfinch]

Blah blah blah freshalloy is full of faggots who think they know it all... You need to pioneer a life rice boy.

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 02:26 PM
Blah blah blah freshalloy is full of faggots who think they know it all... You need to pioneer a life rice boy.
LOL... Another lame response. You can't retort my arguments any better than insulting FA? You realize FA was the first 240sx community before zilvia.net, nicoclub, kat.org, and the rest right?

[cfinch]

You act like I just got on a computer yesterday. All you can respond with is bullshit like "have you heard of these companies? Well I have..." or "I'm respected on a forum! I'm somebody!"

and my responses are lame... No one cares about freshalloy or the money you have spent on your car. Get over yourself.

[mr peas]

Dont let him bait you perfeng, he's fishing for it!!

Welcome!

[Dgramps01]

Hi there, welcome to the club! good, a new S14 owner...we need more :lol:


Anyways, i just wanted to point something out.

"Also, let me help you with your english skills. I posted, "soon to be white maroon s14." I know that wording might be a little difficult for you to understand. I'll break it down for you. "Soon to be white," means that it will soon be white. The part that says "maroon s14," means it is currently a maroon s14."


You forgot to put a comma in the phrase....and it didn't read right. "soon to be white [comma] maroon S14" would have been a better alternative, but your grammar is still bad, the best way would have been... "I currently drive a maroon S14, soon to be white"

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by Dgramps01@Jul 3 2007, 03:22 PM
Hi there, welcome to the club! good, a new S14 owner...we need more :lol:


Anyways, i just wanted to point something out.

"Also, let me help you with your english skills. I posted, "soon to be white maroon s14." I know that wording might be a little difficult for you to understand. I'll break it down for you. "Soon to be white," means that it will soon be white. The part that says "maroon s14," means it is currently a maroon s14."


You forgot to put a comma in the phrase....and it didn't read right. "soon to be white [comma] maroon S14" would have been a better alternative, but your grammar is still bad, the best way would have been... "I currently drive a maroon S14, soon to be white"
I realized that after the fact. One mistake. Although, my sentence should have been easy enough to comprehend. Anyway, thanks for the welcome.

[cfinch]

It was... I guess from the pictures of the yellow car it was safe to assume the worst lol... Gonna get another fomex nasty shit for this s14? Why don't you actually do something with it and post up some pics and shut me up?

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 02:56 PM
You act like I just got on a computer yesterday. All you can respond with is bullshit like "have you heard of these companies? Well I have..." or "I'm respected on a forum! I'm somebody!"

and my responses are lame... No one cares about freshalloy or the money you have spent on your car. Get over yourself.
Now you're putting words in my mouth. Now that I've found how you operate, I'll stop feeding the troll. IL +1

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 03:33 PM
It was... I guess from the pictures of the yellow car it was safe to assume the worst lol... Gonna get another fomex nasty shit for this s14? Why don't you actually do something with it and post up some pics and shut me up?
I post a pic and you laugh. Do you want me to break down the build of the last S14? You can see the Spearco I/C in the front.

KA24DE bored .5mm over
Arias 8.5:1 Pistons
Nissan Motorsports Carillo "long" rods
ARP Headstuds
Cometic Headgastket
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Spec 4 puck ceramic clutch
Turbonetics T04E 60-tim
Greddy Type-R
MSD 72lb/hr Injectors
Jim Wolf ECU
etc...

Where does that get me? Now you'll come up with a response about how I'm bragging about what I have. I only came here to post a heads up on some missing wheels.

[cfinch]

oh snap you already got me all figured out!!! You think you can fight it but it's eating you inside to know that I'm so much better than you. Thought you were badass for being around forever and pioneering some gay ass shit but turns out your not... Aww how sad... Don't worry I'm sure some of the fanboys on here who don't even have cars will think your cool.

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 02:56 PM
You act like I just got on a computer yesterday. All you can respond with is bullshit like "have you heard of these companies? Well I have..." or "I'm respected on a forum! I'm somebody!"

and my responses are lame... No one cares about freshalloy or the money you have spent on your car. Get over yourself.
BTW, when you quote me, you should quote what I actually typed. You may not have gotten a computer yesterday, but it seems that you just learned your english skills yesterday.

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 03:40 PM
oh snap you already got me all figured out!!! You think you can fight it but it's eating you inside to know that I'm so much better than you. Thought you were badass for being around forever and pioneering some gay ass shit but turns out your not... Aww how sad... Don't worry I'm sure some of the fanboys on here who don't even have cars will think your cool.
LOL... e-thugging again. It was fun playing games with you. Ciao.

P.S. I didn't "figure" you out. I asked around and people tell me that is the way you are.

[cfinch]

My english is poor? Look whos talking...

I can't believe my eyes! This guy knows how to pay someone to build him a motor... So you got a ka with a turbo kit who cares? I got one sitting in my shop too it's a complete pile of shit. Ka's are garbage...

I just think it's fucking hilarious how you honestly feel a parts list of whats in your engine bay negates the fact that your car is fugly...

[cfinch]

Originally posted by perfeng702+Jul 3 2007, 03:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (perfeng702 @ Jul 3 2007, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 03:40 PM
oh snap you already got me all figured out!!! You think you can fight it but it's eating you inside to know that I'm so much better than you. Thought you were badass for being around forever and pioneering some gay ass shit but turns out your not... Aww how sad... Don't worry I'm sure some of the fanboys on here who don't even have cars will think your cool.
LOL... e-thugging again. It was fun playing games with you. Ciao.

P.S. I didn't "figure" you out. I asked around and people tell me that is the way you are. [/b][/quote]
I told you in pm it was the way I am lol... I speak the truth and apparently you can't handle the truth! No thuggin here just blunt honesty...

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 03:44 PM
My english is poor? Look whos talking...

I can't believe my eyes! This guy knows how to pay someone to build him a motor... So you got a ka with a turbo kit who cares? I got one sitting in my shop too it's a complete pile of shit. Ka's are garbage...

I just think it's fucking hilarious how you honestly feel a parts list of whats in your engine bay negates the fact that your car is fugly...
Ahh... you must be a SR fanboy. The only thing I paid for in my build is the machine work. The entire engine was put together myself. I'm not going to get into an SR vs. KA debate with you. If you were so bright about engines, you would know each engine has their strengths and weaknesses.

KA:
Cam over bucket valvetrain
Larger displacement
Fully girdled iron closed deck block

SR:
Square Engine
Factory Turbocharged

I could go on...

Give me specific reasons why the KA is garbage and I will give you reasons why the SR is garbage. Most likey, I'll get the "KA is a truck engine" and "SR is factory turbo" responses.

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch+Jul 3 2007, 03:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cfinch @ Jul 3 2007, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by perfeng702@Jul 3 2007, 03:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 03:40 PM
oh snap you already got me all figured out!!! You think you can fight it but it's eating you inside to know that I'm so much better than you. Thought you were badass for being around forever and pioneering some gay ass shit but turns out your not... Aww how sad... Don't worry I'm sure some of the fanboys on here who don't even have cars will think your cool.
LOL... e-thugging again. It was fun playing games with you. Ciao.

P.S. I didn't "figure" you out. I asked around and people tell me that is the way you are.
I told you in pm it was the way I am lol... I speak the truth and apparently you can't handle the truth! No thuggin here just blunt honesty... [/b][/quote]
I can handle the truth. I know my old car wasn't the best looker. No problem. I can handle that. Calling me a ricer based on my cars looks is entirely something else.

[cfinch]

Yes you do not want to enter that debate with me... I do prefer an sr any day over a ka and I know every ka loving idiot will go on for days on how the advantages of the ka. We obviously build cars for 2 completely different forms of motorsports but the bottom line is even in drag racing the ka will never surpass the sr... The bore and stroke is your biggest disadvantage and you guys praise that shit like it's the best shit ever... I will say the head on the ka is better than the sr but you need to get over the whole iron block 2.4l bullshit.

I never knocked your engine setup... It's what you run and you like it good for you. It obviously suits your power needs and gets the job done but why sink the money into the bottom end without touching the head?

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 03:59 PM
Yes you do not want to enter that debate with me... I do prefer an sr any day over a ka and I know every ka loving idiot will go on for days on how the advantages of the ka. We obviously build cars for 2 completely different forms of motorsports but the bottom line is even in drag racing the ka will never surpass the sr... The bore and stroke is your biggest disadvantage and you guys praise that shit like it's the best shit ever... I will say the head on the ka is better than the sr but you need to get over the whole iron block 2.4l bullshit.

I never knocked your engine setup... It's what you run and you like it good for you. It obviously suits your power needs and gets the job done but why sink the money into the bottom end without touching the head?
Yes, to each their own. Like I have said, each engine has their advantages and disadvantages. The SR has had the advantage of being the more widely accepted engine over the past few years hence the larger aftermarket support. The KA, however, is picking up speed. Just recently someone did 700+ hp on the KA. Brian Crower is in the process of producing a 2.65l stroker kit for the KA. The KA is slowly starting to move in SR territory. The ridiculously rod/stroke ratio of the KA does lend to its rpm handicap, but the displacement more than makes up for it. Having a large rpm range is wonderful, but you have to have the turbo to back it up. I would rather take my 2.4l and spool my T4 at 3500 rpm and take it to 7000 rpm rather than take a similar SR and spool at 5000 rpm. My car is still a street car and I prefer the low end power delivery.

Regardless, everyone has their flavor. The SR is smooth vanilla, and the KA is rocky road. All things being equal, I will take the KA due to it's displacement advantage. Because, in the end, a properly built engine will have both new top and bottom ends.

BTW, there has been headwork done, but I am not too fond of posting a complete mod list.

[cfinch]

I mean the motors displacement has it's advantages but only up to a certain point... If you want to talk about what other people are doing mazworx is building heads that allow them to rev up to 11k... So you give up 1k rpms in spool up time to be able to rev 4k higher which may be alittle off but what your giving up in the low end your picking back up in the top end and then some. Even with the hydraulic lifters you can go up to 8k on an sr so where your picking up spool the gain is nil over the capability of taking the rpms higher... Overall where is the gain from the displacement? Stock for stock there is obviously a gain but depending on the level of modification there really isn't much to gain.

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 04:35 PM
I mean the motors displacement has it's advantages but only up to a certain point... If you want to talk about what other people are doing mazworx is building heads that allow them to rev up to 11k... So you give up 1k rpms in spool up time to be able to rev 4k higher which may be alittle off but what your giving up in the low end your picking back up in the top end and then some. Even with the hydraulic lifters you can go up to 8k on an sr so where your picking up spool the gain is nil over the capability of taking the rpms higher... Overall where is the gain from the displacement? Stock for stock there is obviously a gain but depending on the level of modification there really isn't much to gain.
True one could build an SR head to take 11k rpm, but like I said, one would need a turbo matched to that kind of powerband. There isn't a turbo out there that I know of that will spool at 5k rpm on a 2.0l and not run out of steam by 11k. For drag racing and maximum HP production, 11k rpm would be great. But for the sake of streetability (and autox), I prefer the torque advantage of the KA.


Regarding rpm, the KA has not been tested thoroughly enough to determine it's max rpm capacity. Some people have been talking about spinning it to 9k rpm. People were generally afraid of exploding the engine due to insane pistons speeds, but some don't believe that anymore. The next hinderance would be the half counter weighted crank. More and more are willing to push their KAs to see what they can do.

In regards to the gain from displacement, the torque curve would show it all. It's one thing to shoot for maximum hp. It's another to have a torque curve flat enough for track use.

As I'm sure you already know, there are 2 general ways to make power:
1. Displacement
2. Revs

The KA does #1 well and the SR does #2 well.

[ak_slick]

Welcome to the forum perfeng702. Lol nice to see someone willing to box with cfinch. Tell him you like rb's and you will have loads more fun. BTW he hates my car too,... which makes you eligible to join the "Cfinch Dumpstar Spec Approved Club" I am on the board. I officially welcome you. Car sounds nice. Hope to see it at a meet.

[cfinch]

lol I think he would be argueing on my side on your rb20 lol...

So why jwt? Maybe I'm just not a fan of them and I'm by no means against rom tuning altho a real tune is always better but for the money and simplicity it's hard to beat the rom tune... I try to stay away from jwt on everything possible... Except for the sr valve guides thats the only thing they got that I like.

[mr peas]

I like the way you all are making friends with one another.

[t0pk0w]

Different oppinions but we all still love cars! :D Thats why were here! If they keep going with this and we all keep reading we are bound to learn all kinds of new info that will help with our future builds.

[ak_slick]

Well, I don't think many people would be arguing for the rb20. Hell I just ended up with one, cheap power. But I doubt he will be sooo mean to me. Cause you make me cry cfinch. *sobs*

BTW:

RB20:
Cam over Bucket
Small for a 6 cyl.
Heavy for the displacement
Still fun to drive :P

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 3 2007, 11:13 PM
lol I think he would be argueing on my side on your rb20 lol...

So why jwt? Maybe I'm just not a fan of them and I'm by no means against rom tuning altho a real tune is always better but for the money and simplicity it's hard to beat the rom tune... I try to stay away from jwt on everything possible... Except for the sr valve guides thats the only thing they got that I like.
When I built my engine, JWT was the only readily available ECU tune. The only other option was S-AFC or stand alone. JWT provided stock drivability. Enthalply and all the others were just getting into the rom tuning scene when I was researching my build and I was not comfortable being a "guinea pig" for a new start up tuner. JWT was tried and true. JWT's tunes are a bit conservative and pricey, but I had no other options at the time. I think JWT's products are fine with the exception of their prices. The only other thing I have from them is a fuel rail. I know there is a lot of JWT hate out there, but they have pioneered quite a few things for us.

P.S. Generally if it's not bigger and stronger than what I already have, no thanks. Therefore. VK56 > VQ35 > KA24, SR20, CA18 > RB26 > RB25 > RB20.

I think if one is going to go through the trouble of swapping in an engine is is not direct drop in (excluding the mckinney kit), the gains should be worth the effort. I am a firm believer of Function over From. A RB swap is not worth the money when only gaining .1-.2l of displacement. Sure, RB's can make 700hp, but so can KAs, SRs, and CAs. RBs are all show (No hate, just my opinion).

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by ak_slick@Jul 3 2007, 11:10 PM
Welcome to the forum perfeng702. Lol nice to see someone willing to box with cfinch. Tell him you like rb's and you will have loads more fun. BTW he hates my car too,... which makes you eligible to join the "Cfinch Dumpstar Spec Approved Club" I am on the board. I officially welcome you. Car sounds nice. Hope to see it at a meet.
Thanks for the welcome. It's fun to have someone to bump heads with. Dumpster spec it is. Actually, that entire s14 will be going in the dumpster as soon as I am done with it.

[cfinch]

lol! Yeah people treat rb's like they are just a drop in motor... When they really aren't. I mean there are ways to use rb trannies and rb crossmembers and make them drop in with such poor engine placement... Then you got wieght, cooling issues, oil pick up problems, lack of available parts etc... it's a terrible choice especially when your talking about an rb20...

It all depends on what your using the engine for... To me there is nothing like driving an sr around with a good size turbo, cams, lightweight flywheel, aluminum driveshaft etc... Just free revving to 8k so much fun... but the only think I do is drift no drag... You just drag right or road race too?

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 4 2007, 12:26 PM
lol! Yeah people treat rb's like they are just a drop in motor... When they really aren't. I mean there are ways to use rb trannies and rb crossmembers and make them drop in with such poor engine placement... Then you got wieght, cooling issues, oil pick up problems, lack of available parts etc... it's a terrible choice especially when your talking about an rb20...

It all depends on what your using the engine for... To me there is nothing like driving an sr around with a good size turbo, cams, lightweight flywheel, aluminum driveshaft etc... Just free revving to 8k so much fun... but the only think I do is drift no drag... You just drag right or road race too?
Nah... I don't drag anymore. I got bored of that. Autox mainly. I'll be out to Parhump in October for the road course. I'm still prepping this current S14.

[cfinch]

Autox ewww... I know people love that shit but all that work just for your run to be over in a minute and your done... When I get out to an event I wanna spend hours on the track.

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 4 2007, 12:52 PM
Autox ewww... I know people love that shit but all that work just for your run to be over in a minute and your done... When I get out to an event I wanna spend hours on the track.
lol yeah... that does suck, but it's a good time more than anything. Pretty much the same thing at the drag strip. Wait an hour to run for a few seconds. I just like to drive. =)

[cfinch]

You need to hit up a real track then... Whether it be drifting or road racing way more time in the drivers seat...

[perfeng702]

Originally posted by cfinch@Jul 4 2007, 01:10 PM
You need to hit up a real track then... Whether it be drifting or road racing way more time in the drivers seat...
I know. =) Time and money make it tough. Working too hard trying to expand business.

[Dgramps01]

Originally posted by perfeng702@Jul 4 2007, 11:43 AM

Actually, that entire s14 will be going in the dumpster as soon as I am done with it.
Before this happens, please let me know i need random stuff so i can piece my lego S14 together. :lol:

[Green S14]

Originally posted by Dgramps01+Jul 4 2007, 06:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dgramps01 @ Jul 4 2007, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-perfeng702@Jul 4 2007, 11:43 AM

Actually, that entire s14 will be going in the dumpster as soon as I am done with it.
Before this happens, please let me know i need random stuff so i can piece my lego S14 together. :lol: [/b][/quote]
same here. i need some random items as well :D