Performance Parts

[LonelyDriver]

[FONT=Times] I need help finding performance parts, I want to add more torque but i'm not quite sure which product is an optimal choice for a Ka24.I'm not lookiong for a turbo or anything but i just want some basic engine bolt ons. Can you guys help me out. I have basics upgrades that deal with airflow such as exhaust intake etc. thanks

[vegas_touge]

not alot of parts are made for the KA series motor...unless you plan on going with a turbo kit on yer KA...dont count on making alot of power ever with it...and all the money you dump into a NA KA is pretty much wasted for how much youre going to spend and how little you get out of it


yer best bet is to save up for either a KA turbo kit...or a CA/SR swap...the KA turbo has its down sides (weak internals...weak fuel system) but it also has its upsides (no motor swap needed...TONS of kits floating around now...can make decent power on stock setup)...the SR/CA swaps i think are the way to go...but theyre costly...however you will find TONS and TONS of parts for the SR (and the CA if u look hard enough)

but trying upgrade the KA usually isnt worth it...theyre usually very high millage motors that generally werent taken care of very well by previous owners...not to say a SR or CA wasnt beat on as well...however the CA and SR are sports car motors...theyve been engineered to take a beating...most fully built NA KAs ive seen ONLY make 230-240hp at the flywheel...and thats after about 10 grand worth of work and shop time

i know 3500-3800 dollars seems like a BIG leap for an engine for your car...but it eliminates alot of hassle of trying to make power in your car...and youll have something reliable and dependable for both track and street with an SR or CA (KAs have an attendancy to throw rods or rod bearings on the track...not uncommon to see once or twice an event)

[msaskin]

Well, since lennon feels like he's too good for a KA, here is answer to your question.

The following are go-fast parts. There's always suspension upgrades, brake upgrades, etc., etc., etc....

Cheap/Easy to install parts:
A good tune up ;) - plugs, wires, air filter, fuel filter, etc...
Intake ("cold air", short ram, etc.) - There's a range of them for a range of prices
Header - $150-200 or so iirc?
Exhaust - from free (no exhaust) on up to however much you want to spend. An average custom setup will run around $250 or so

More Expensive/Harder to Install:
cams - I know Jim Wolf makes cams for the KA, not sure about anyone else
engine work - obvious...
turbo - obvious...

~matt

[haveblue]

keep in mind adding intake/header/exhaust/cams/port etc will only get you 10-20hp more than stock. I've seen 1 (one) ka making 200hp at the wheels and that was after a ton of work and excellent tuning (not very streetable either).
Turbo is a whole different story. KA or SR, either way 250 hp is easily achievable for 3000-4000 bucks.
Why do you want more power? street, drag, auto-x, drift?

[vegas_touge]

matt doesnt realize things when he says them...matt has money out the ass and forgets that spending 2 grand on 20hp is not always an economical solution for alot of us :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

and matt...listing a buncha NA upgrades for the KA is pointless when the list is going to end up costing MORE than a turbo setup with WAY less power

[haveblue]

Originally posted by vegas_touge@Jun 28 2005, 12:09 AM
matt doesnt realize things when he says them...matt has money out the ass and forgets that spending 2 grand on 20hp is not always an economical solution for alot of us :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

and matt...listing a buncha NA upgrades for the KA is pointless when the list is going to end up costing MORE than a turbo setup with WAY less power

Reply 1: yes, we should all follow lennon's True Economic Solution and put SRs and silvia front ends on our cars. :rolleyes:

Reply 2: SRs suck, its much more economical to save up for an rb26.

Reply 3: NAAAAAAAWWWS!

[msaskin]

Originally posted by vegas_touge@Jun 28 2005, 12:09 AM
matt doesnt realize things when he says them...matt has money out the ass and forgets that spending 2 grand on 20hp is not always an economical solution for alot of us :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

and matt...listing a buncha NA upgrades for the KA is pointless when the list is going to end up costing MORE than a turbo setup with WAY less power
I was simply answering the kids question, not putting my own opinion into it.

Also, intake/headers/exhaust totals up to about $500 or so, you just need to shop around.

~matt

[SERvo]

Since we're mentioning more than just bolt-ons at this point and he seems concerned about torque as well cost, I'm agreeing with George and voting for nitrous.
Cheap and fairly easy to install, and gives you a pretty good boost of power for the money. Granted, you need to have the car tuned by someone who knows what they're doing. Nitrous has it's limitations too, depending on your driving style.

Also, look at anything with rotating mass. I'm a big advocate of aluminum flywheels and lightweight wheels. Anytime you can safely trim rotating mass you can increase your acceleration.

I'd say a thorough general tune up is the best thing to do first though. Plugs, wires, cap/rotor, timing, fluids, belts, good tires, etc, etc will improve your performance and give you a good base tune to maximize your later mods.

If you want serious numbers, the direction you take really depends on what you're driving style is like. If you're just looking for simple bolt-ons and 10-20 HP, start buying used stuff and get your setup done for less than $500.

[msaskin]

Originally posted by SERvo@Jun 28 2005, 11:02 AM
Since we're mentioning more than just bolt-ons at this point and he seems concerned about torque as well cost, I'm agreeing with George and voting for nitrous.
Cheap and fairly easy to install, and gives you a pretty good boost of power for the money. Granted, you need to have the car tuned by someone who knows what they're doing. Nitrous has it's limitations too, depending on your driving style.

Also, look at anything with rotating mass. I'm a big advocate of aluminum flywheels and lightweight wheels. Anytime you can safely trim rotating mass you can increase your acceleration.

I'd say a thorough general tune up is the best thing to do first though. Plugs, wires, cap/rotor, timing, fluids, belts, good tires, etc, etc will improve your performance and give you a good base tune to maximize your later mods.

If you want serious numbers, the direction you take really depends on what you're driving style is like. If you're just looking for simple bolt-ons and 10-20 HP, start buying used stuff and get your setup done for less than $500.
:righton:

[vegas_touge]

one MAJOR thing that will help you gain ALOT of power from your car is...


SUSPENSION SUSPENSION SUSPENSION!!!!! (i cant stress this enough and i know matt will even agree with me on this)

if you spend the money on a GOOD suspension setup...coilover/dampers (ie tein, cusco, D2, tanabe, JIC etc etc)....tension rods...traction rods...rear upper control arms....rear toe links...sway bars...LSD (kaaz, cusco, ATS...AT LEAST 1.5 way)...rims (17x8 17x9 seems to be everyones favs)...alignment (after you add all the parts)...rear subframe spacers...rear lower tie bar...you will be AMAZED how much power you can transfer to the ground on a stock motor with minor bolt ons...even with a KA...the KA has enough torque and HP to be a monster when mated with GOOD suspension...the more stable and flat you can keep the car in turns (or even in straight aways) and the less and less body you get...the more power transfers to the ground...ive ripped around the track a few times in bone stock KAs with built suspension...it doesnt feel like the same car

i know coilover/dampers look expensive...but they are worth EVERY penny spent...no shock/spring combo on the american market for the S chassis can even come NEAR the performance coilover/dampers put out...when mated with pillow ball jointed suspension and a good alignment...your car feels like it gains the better part of 30-50hp just from having a GOOD suspension setup (and youll MAJORLY feel it thru turns)

[kaotic]

one thing you guys didnt mention was an nice ignition booster..

but yeah.. what they all said is the truth..

I agree what with Servo said.. one BIG thing to add to your accel is an aluminum drive shaft...

what I had planned for my 240, if I got a stock one was.. intake, full exhaust, NGK plugs(the best), Nology Wires(the best), coil-overs, and an LSD.. thats a real good base to start with..

or, save all your money and drop an SR..

[msaskin]

Originally posted by kaotic@Jun 28 2005, 10:57 PM
one thing you guys didnt mention was an nice ignition booster..
Doesn't make a bit of difference on a KA.

On an SR, the ignition system needs all the help it can get, especially if you're running an upgraded turbo.

~matt

[kaotic]

Originally posted by msaskin+Jun 29 2005, 06:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (msaskin @ Jun 29 2005, 06:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kaotic@Jun 28 2005, 10:57 PM
one thing you guys didnt mention was an nice ignition booster..
Doesn't make a bit of difference on a KA.

~matt [/b][/quote]
thats not what I heard...

[msaskin]

Originally posted by kaotic+Jun 29 2005, 07:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kaotic @ Jun 29 2005, 07:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by msaskin@Jun 29 2005, 06:20 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-kaotic@Jun 28 2005, 10:57 PM
one thing you guys didnt mention was an nice ignition booster..
Doesn't make a bit of difference on a KA.

~matt
thats not what I heard... [/b][/quote]
you heard wrong. the KA doesn't make enough power, nor does it have a problem with spark blowout, to need an ignition booster. If you feel your KA ignition system isn't up to par, replace the wires, replace the plugs, and gap the plugs a bit tighter than stock specifications.

On an SR, upgraded ignition system = good :)

~matt

[kaotic]

any turbo with upgraded ignition system = good :angel: